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Tokio Hotel’s Bill Kaulitz Rocks Leather for ‘Interview Germany’

Bill Kaulitz looks rocker chic in his leather jacket and many accessories while posing on the cover of Interview Germany‘s November 2014 issue.

The 25-year-old Tokio Hotel singer is joined inside the issue’s photo spread by his twin brother and band member Tom Kaulitz.

The band’s new full-length album Kings of Suburbia is currently available internationally and will hit stores in the United States on November 11. It debuted at number one in 29 countries when it was released in Europe earlier this month so we can’t wait to see how it does elsewhere!

Make sure to watch the band’s music video for their single “Love Who Loves You Back” if you haven’t seen it yet.

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Bill Kaulitz: “The balance was missing

Four years ago the twins Bill and Tom Kaulitz moved to Los Angeles and enjoyed life out of the spotlight. Now they are back with a new album. In the Interview with “spot on news” Bill Kaulitz and Gustav Schäfer talk about the hiatus and why their comeback actually isn’t a real comeback.

The ex-teenie-band has just released their new album “Kings of Suburbia”. Before that the four boys had been disappeared from the screen for four years. The twins Bill and Tom Kaulitz (25) ended up in Los Angeles. Also Gustav Schäfer (26) and Georg Listing (27) caught up on a lot of things in that time. But the new record is a success again. At the beginning of the sale the album was on #1 in various countries.

It must be a good feeling to know that the fanbase still exists…
Bill: That’s so cool! It has always been incredible. In the four years we still won awards from time to time. Our fans were always voting for us. Even in that time when we didn’t do anything actually. The support of our fans is incredible and not taken for granted. Before our break we’ve been told: You can’t do that, it’s “career-suicide”. But we accepted it. We didn’t want to make an album we don’t like or which is only half as amazing. But we just personally needed the time. And at the end of the day it wasn’t career suicide.

Why did you move to Los Angeles with Tom in 2010?
Bill: At the end we didn’t have fun here anymore. We couldn’t build up a private life apart from our career. The balance was missing. After our house had been broken in, we told ourselves: We won’t look for a new house here again and build a prison for ourselves, in which you can’t look into. Within four weeks we planned, packed our bags and just left.

Which things couldn’t you do in Germany anymore?
Bill: Actually anything. It already starts with ordering a pizza. Or in the hotel, we checked in with cover names. We can’t stay at a place here for too long. We always had security people with us. There were always 20 people following us in the car and 50 stood in front of our house. Then your private life takes place inside of your own four walls behind a gate and a fence. You don’t get anything of life or the world anymore.

How was it in LA?
Bill: It was totally different. In the morning I asked myself: What will I do today? Am I going to the restaurant or go grab a coffee? Just the normal things, for example to plan the day on your own. If I wanted to go out with my dog now, it would have to be organized first. When you’re on tour it’s okay, but you just don’t want that in your private life. You need the balance and we found it in LA.

There you could live like normal 20-year-olds…
Bill: Absolutely, we partied in night clubs, and sometimes we were pissed like a rat. Just like others in our age do it as well, just without it being written in the newspapers the next day. We didn’t want private stories anymore. The music wasn’t in the foreground. It was way more interesting what we say or do, where we live, what we wear and who we sleep with. In the four years we didn’t do any interviews, to bring in a bit of calmness again.

What did you not like about LA?
Bill: For example that every club closes at 2am. At 1.45am you get your last drink and at exactly 2am in every club and bar the lights go on. So you have to already start drinking in the afternoon. I won’t ever get used to that! It’s annoying me so much that I even almost would rather like to move to New York by now. Furthermore we miss the German bread, plum cake and driving fast on the Autobahn.

Gustav, what did Georg and you do in that time?
Gustav: Georg as well as I traveled to cities we have actually already been to for a hundred times, but where we didn’t see anything apart from the airport and the hotel. Just like me Georg was also in Paris for the first time. There we went with the metro for the first time.

For the first time at all?
Gustav: Yes, for the first time in my life. In Paris. We have also been on the Eiffel Tower, the whole tourist-thing with lining up and so on. That was fun!

Did you get recognized?
Gustav: No, not at all. That was a good feeling.

So, also a break for you two…
Gustav: Yes, we also caught up on the missing time with our families. For example just having lunch at Sunday noon. Of course we also didn’t leave out partying.

Why now the comeback?
Bill: For us it doesn’t feel like a comeback. Until the end of 2011 we still were on tour in South America, Japan and Russia. Then we took a break for 1 1/2 years. It didn’t feel like it was that long. Then we started to make music in the studio again. We didn’t put our feet up for four years straight. Back then it used to be normal that bands didn’t release a new album for four years. And we never split up. It was clear that we would make another album one day. Only the point of time wasn’t clear.

Are you worried about the future? What if one day you won’t have success with your music anymore?
Bill: After the fourth album we are relatively relaxed. I think we’ll always have a future with music. We can say that relatively self-confident. We built up a good base in the last ten years which will always be there. That has rather less to do with the success of a single album. Furthermore there are a lot of other fields in music: Tom for example wants to write and produce for other artists.

Can’t you imagine something else?
Bill: No. I’m incredibly thankful that we all could go this way. I can’t imagine doing an other normal job, which I actually don’t want to do. We have the luck every day to do what we love and like to do and what we also feel called to do.

Wolfgang Joop likes your style. What does fashion and style mean to you? Is that art for you?
Bill: Yes, totally. Fashion is my second biggest passion next to music. For me that also goes along with each other. I don’t see myself as singer-songwriter who stands on stage and only sings. I have always been more of a singer and performer. I like to have a show. We do a lot more on tour than just playing our instruments. For me fashion is a part of that as well. I also fulfilled some of my dreams concerning that matter: I worked with photographers, labels and designers I have already wanted to work with for a long time. I really have embosomed Wolfgang and we get along very well. He’s a great designer. One of my big dreams is to have a fashion line one day. I want to fulfil this dream for myself one day. But also concerning that I want to take time to do it seriously. I don’t want to simply write my name on something. There are also already some designs and names I have been working on for some years now. By now there hasn’t been the right moment yet, but it will come one day.

But for now the music’s first?
Bill: The next time it’s the album’s turn. We have an incredibly full schedule, there is no minute for other things. Therefore it will still take a bit of time.

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Friendship, Sex, Money, and All the Rest

After a four year break, Bill and Tom talk with us about their life after leaving Germany. Gustav and Georg are happy that the band continued making music. An interview by Sophie Albers and Ben Chamo.

How do you feel now, after your first fan contact and press conference, after this four year break?
Bill: It was a long, but good, day. We actually just talked about that in the car: Everything went really well.
Tom: There are, of course, days that don’t go so well. I always try not to lose my train of thought, but sometimes you just have those days where the interviewers want to annoy you. But today: We got some good feedback, had nice conversations.

How close have you guys actually been in the past four years?
Georg: Very close actually.
Tom: Just as close as we always were, the only difference was that we didn’t go out with each other as much. We’ve been friends for 14 years now, not much can happen now to change that. We can go two or three months without being in contact at all, but when we meet again it feels like the last time we saw each other was only yesterday.

But geographically you’ve actually been quite far apart.
Georg: We temporarily also spent some time over there, we talked on the phone and Skyped with each other. We always stayed in contact in some way.
Gustav: If we couldn’t physically be there, then we saw each other via Skype.

Could you actually have lived the rest of your life from the money you earned in the past? Could you have retired?
Bill: Depends on how you would have wanted to live. It depends on your standards. I honestly never thought about it in that way.
Tom: We could have lived a pretty normal life after releasing “Monsun” until the end of our time. It was never a topic that came up though, because we invested most of the money we made into our career. We’ve had people and companies working for us since we turned 15…

What type of companies?
Tom: Band companies. The band is our one true love and what we live off. We invest an unbelievable amount of time and money into our stage productions and videos. We did that since we started. It was always very important to us. We never really made sure to get the biggest profit out of something. On tour, a lot of partners always asked us why we spend so much money on our stage productions.

Did you miss being on stage?
Gustav: Yes.
Bill: Definitely! Absolutely! We attended a few concerts in the US and watched other bands play. I always thought: Aaah, I want to be on stage too.
Gustav: It does make you shed a little tear.
Bill: Of course it’s nice to be on the other side for once, and be able to relax for once. And I think you can also learn a lot, when you see what things other bands pull on stage. When you’re only standing up there without doing anything, you sometimes don’t know how the audience is going to like it. I enjoyed attending Coachella without the pressure of having to perform soon. In the condition I was in sometimes, it wouldn’t even have been possible. (laughs)
Tom: We’re also always extremely nervous before we go on stage.

What? After all these years?
Bill: Oh yes. When we’re on tour I’m the most nervous person in the world. I’m so nervous that I’m afraid of fainting at some point. I always feel like I’m another person in that moment. You can’t even approach me at that time because I’m so concentrated.
Georg: We always obsess about this together.
Bill: One and a half hours before each show, we have off-time. No interview, no pictures, nothing. Because we’re so nervous.
Gustav: And all three of them are so nervous that I have my own room. They really obsess over everything, like lunatics. It’s annoying.
Bill: But you also get nervous.
Gustav: I get nervous, yes, but I’d rather lie down for 20 minutes.
Bill: But the moment I’m on stage, everything is okay again. The worst part is before you go on stage. And it’s not getting better.

Did you choose the album release date on purpose? Because of the re-unification of Germany?
Bill: Nope, I actually only noticed it when someone told me.
Tom: Are the stores actually open that day, so people can buy the CD?
Georg: No, that’s the problem.
Tom: We released our album that day and no one can buy it?

But you can download it. How hard is it, coming back? Georg, Gustav you led less of a “wild life” in the meantime, therefore you essentially had to make a decision: Back to the craziness or not?
Georg: To be honest, I never actually asked myself that question. It was always clear to us that the four of us would be doing something together and be on the road again.
Tom: We just didn’t want to work on a new album for a while. It wasn’t the disbandment of the band.
Georg: I didn’t spend a second thinking about that. “What will you do now, study business studies?”
(loud laughter)
Bill: For everyone else it feels like a longer period of time passed. In 2011 we were still on tour, then we didn’t do anything for a year and in 2013 we had actually planned to release our next album. But we made a last minute decision and said no, because it was going really well in the studio. We didn’t plan that four years would pass. We never said that we’re taking a break now. We just didn’t know when and how we would continue.

When did you actually get that tattoo on your hand?
Bill: Shortly after I moved to L.A.
Gustav: That one is already old.

Why something so morbid?
Tom: Pride in being ugly.
Bill: I thought it was beautiful. I wanted to get a tattoo that covers my whole hand and I found a tattoo artist in L.A. that I really liked. He also did all my other tattoos.

At the press conference you were labeled the representatives of the “selfie generation”. Does it mean something to you?
Tom: By now, yes. In the beginning we still wanted to print autograph cards. Then we realized that it doesn’t make sense anymore, because people only want to take selfies nowadays. We’re still from that classic time where everyone wanted to have something signed, but those times are over.
Bill: Yes, sometimes we even feel a little old school. When we started, there was no Facebook, no Twitter, no Instagram! Ten years ago, when we released out album “Schrei” everyone was standing there with our album in their hand and they wanted to have it signed. Nowadays no one wants an autograph anymore! It even happens that people want to take a picture and I say “I can’t really do that right now, but I can sign something for you”, and then they say: “No, I don’t need an autograph”. We didn’t have any social media accounts for a long time, we actually just started with that. Everything changed.
Tom: But I think that change is good, it also has positive sides. We just noticed that artists have their own medium now and that they can control it in a different way than in the past. We can send out something when we want to.
Bill: Only yesterday we activated our Tokio Hotel Instagram account

Your videos have been received by people as being very controversial. Why are you so against people describing them as being “provocative”?
Bill: I simply cannot understand why people are so enraged over the video for “Girl Got A Gun”!
Tom: I didn’t expect that. I thought they would find it atypical. I thought it was funny.
Bill: Exactly! A lot of people took it way too serious. Oh my god, where do all those discussions about it lead?! We thought of that plushie being a cool gag/joke. But it shouldn’t be a huge deal that it has a penis.

Did you discuss it as a band? Did you find it less funny than the others, Georg?
Georg: We all thought it was funny. It was actually more about the cool video director for us.
Bill: Apart from that, there was quite a timespan between us seeing the videos and the covers. We chose them individually, it wasn’t a package that had been planned before. You have to look at those things separately.
Tom: The single cover for “Love who loves you back” was my idea. I found it online and couldn’t stop laughing. I thought it was a perfect fit.

But it is a little cynical.
Tom: It has some depth to it for me. Look, I for example, only found my love by watching porn online for years. By using the computer mouse. Like on the picture.
Bill: There are a lot of people out there that find their love on the internet. Just as many people have watched porn online at least once in their life. We thought that it fit the theme.

Tom, that’s not funny at all, it’s sad.
Tom: We still think that the single cover is funny.
Bill: It does have a meaning. We always decided on the cover art and the videos in the same moment we recorded the songs. Then we have an idea for it. We didn’t want to give the people a sex-package. That’s what the media is making out of it, but if you look closer, there’s more to it.

Bill, a question from women….
Tom: Women (laughs)
Don’t these shoes hurt?
Bill: Oh yeah, they are extremely uncomfortable. I actually almost face-planted while we were leaving, because there were so many people and Pumba pulled me. I almost took them off then.

But why are you doing this to yourself?
Bill: Because they look extremely good. You just have to get through this sometimes. I always had a penchant for extraordinary shoes. My shoe bag is bigger than my suitcase.
Tom: You don’t just have a inclination for extraordinary shoes.

Back to the topic of sex and “Love who loves you back”. I generally think that motto, “Love, who you want, regardless of age, looks and orientation”, is great. But is love not more than sex? And we’re back to the topic of online porn.
Tom: Finding your big love often starts with sex.
Bill: Exactly.
Gustav: You don’t want to buy a pig in a poke.
Georg: It’s an important part of love. There cannot be good love without good sex.
Tom: We’re still in that phase where we have a pretty active sex-life.
Gustav: And afterwards you have the internet again.

Were you disappointed that your fans were so quiet at the press conference?
Bill: I actually didn’t think about this yet. It didn’t strike me as being negative. I think at concerts it’s going to get louder again. Today the media was were, therefore they held back a little. It felt good though. The tickets were exclusively raffled to few fans.

You could have also been relieved about that.
Tom: That they haven’t been screaming that loudly, there is hardly a more energetic audience than the one we had. By no means do I want the people to only applaud, and not scream anymore. There is no greater feeling for an artist when they’re on stage, than when people are going bonkers. Privately it’s a whole different story.

Will L.A. stay your home for now?
Bill: Yes. Even though I also really want to go to New York. I really love that city. L.A. is a little boring. I’m so hungry for life and adventures. I always think that I’m missing out on so many things.

What is life?
Bill: I don’t know. But for me, it already starts with the fact that when I’m home on weekends, I’m not able to relax at home and watch a movie. I always want to go out and socialize. I like when I’m surrounded by a lot of people. We also always have someone visiting us at home. I like having a full house.
Tom: We’ll stay in the US for now. It’s more relaxing for us.

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TOKIO HOTEL @ Hotel De Sers

Tonight, the German group that everyone was talking about a few years ago is back in Paris to promote thier new album entitled “Kings Of Suburbia” through a press conference that preceded a private showcase at which we are invited.

Arrived around 8 p.m. in front of the hotel De Sers, it is impossible to be wrong about the venue as hundreds of fans are hoping to see their idols, and even in the pouring rain. Inside the hotel, a small twenty media and a dozen of fans having won a Polydor contest settled in a conference room in which instruments are already waiting for the Quartet. After a few minutes of waiting and without having been announced, Bill Kaulitz and his musicians arrive under the cheers from their fans. For someone who would not have followed the news of Tokio Hotel, it would have been impossible to recognize its members they have so physically changed. It is obvious that their image of teen rock band no longer has place to be.

Once their leader has welcomed the public, the four young men begin to play the opening notes of “Girl Got A Gun”, whose quirky clip was recently released. Acoustic rendering of the title away from electro pop and we get to much better to enjoy the clarity of voice of the singer who does not need to be retouched for sounding good. The group directly segues into another song taken from their fourth album, entitled “Louder Than Love”, quite different from the studio version. At the end, Bill Kaulitz asks people who already saw them in concert to raise their hands, what will make the vast majority of those present, including media. He adds that this song was part of ‘Humanoid City Tour’, their previous tour. Before the smiles delighted their fans, the Germanic play “Automatic”, which was the first single from their 2009 album “Humanoid”. Many whisper the words of the song. To conclude this short showcase, Bill Kaulitz announces that “Love Who Loves You Back” will be the last song on what is the “shortest of our lifetime” concert.

The applause, the group leaves the room welcoming fans to reappear minutes later. This time, the twins have withdrawn their sunglasses and the four leave themselves taking pictures before to re – install in order to answer the questions the media and the fans. Unfortunately, their staff will force them to answer all questions in German that will pose a barrier between them and the audience, since most will not understand a single word. Despite the fact that the group is visibly annoyed does not have the right to express themselves in English, they will comply with this condition.

Various themes will be discussed during this press conference.

Bill Kaulitz confirms that their new album, with more electro influences, is inspired by the new life in Los Angeles that he and his brother, Tom have had. It also adds that they are surprised and excited to see that so many fans are always present, even if they already knew that their fans would support them. Bill, who is the more talkative of the four, also admit that at the beginning of the creation of this album, they felt all misunderstood in Los Angeles and that’s the reason that prompted them to have their own studio and they have subsequently written “Girl Got A Gun” and “Love Who Loves You Back”.

A question, surely awaited by their fans, about possible concerts in France was asked, the frontman responds that they are organizing a tour, which will probably begin in the spring, and that Paris will definitely do part. For those who don’t know, Bill (vocals) and Tom (guitar) now live in Los Angeles, a media asked if they felt now foreign when they came back in Europe, by which they replied that they spend more time in Germany, but they are still returned to record the album and that Gustav (drums) and Georg (bass) live there still.

Their favorite songs from the record, they will hesitate in saying that it is a very difficult question, but both brothers have a preference for “Love Who Loves You Back”. They also add that this test has evolved compared to the former, because they have improved, many wrote and produced it differently.

A question for Tom is then asked. A fan asks him how he came to the idea to run as many tasks on this album (he plays the guitar, piano and produced), what the concerned responds with irony that it is because it is the only one of the group to have talent and can do it. On a more serious tone, his twin explains that this was not something planned, they were creative and that they worked with other people, but that this had not happened. It is for this reason that they decided they were going to do only things and in their own way.

Because this effort is much more electro compared to the old, a girl asked how they would go about playing new songs onstage, “other versions, other musicians will be with us, for example for the synth piano“, says Bill Kaulitz. Latter then reveals that “Run Run Run” has been the most difficult song to record.

A fan said later that she has a question for the drummer who, on hearing this, lets out a cry of surprise that will make laughter throughout the room. The person concerned will respond that the funniest moment in the studio was when it was necessary that he sings backing vocals on the song “Kings Of Suburbia”. “Georg, what has been the most troublesome moment in the studio?” “Are there not really any, apart from the songssaid Gustav, Tom will add a humorous tone that the moment most troublesome for the drummer was the time where he had forgotten to close the bathroom door while they were in full recording and the smell bothered them.

Asked then if they had problems during recording, Tom will respond that there are not really and that the problems occur rather sometimes once on stage.

The last question asked to Bill how happened the filming of “Loves Who Loves You Back”, video in which he kisses and touches many people, men and women alike. The smiling singer lets out an “amazing” before laughing and adding in German that it was he who had the idea and that initially, and that the Director did not want the others to participate in the video, but he insisted they be. He also adds that he was uncomfortable when he had the kiss someone before a camera for the first time and that the woman was even a bit too spirited.

In conclusion, the showcase has proven how Tokio Hotel could be such good musicians, but one then wonders why they felt the need to edit their album up to make an electro directory. Acoustic performance was able to convince all those present and their good mood during the press conference was nice to see. However, the very incomplete translation surely prevented us to understand half of their responses.

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Tokio Hotel: for the first time on stage again after a long hiatus

3 October in Germany, the album Kings Of Suburbia was released by the flamboyant band Tokio Hotel. We remind that in most other countries and the studio recording will be released tomorrow, 6 October.

In support of thier new work Bill Kaulitz, Tom Kaulitz, Georg listing, and Gustav Schäfer went on a promotional tour to Germany, where today they visited the TV show Wetten dass…? The guys not only gave the interview, but also performed their first single from the album-Love Who Loves You Back. It was the first after a long break the band.

The Promo-tour for Kings Of Suburbia was launched October 2nd in Berlin: TH held a press conference to present the album. Today, the group will give a small acoustic concert at the radio station in Magdeburg (Magdeburg-hometown musicians). October 6th Tokio Hotel hit the show Circus Halligalli one of Germany’s TV channels, and as well will hold a live chat. And then the guys will go to Paris, where they will be held October 9th autograph session.

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We are shocked that there is homophobia in France

Pure Charts invites you to discover the second part of the interview with Tokio Hotel, as part of the release of the album “Kings of Suburbia.” The group now talks gay marriage, homophobia in France, a critical look at the Bill, the character Conchita Wurst and even his solo projects …

Q: With a song like “Love Who Loves You Back” and its a very sexual clip, you knew it would shock a few …
Tom: It’s true they are a little more shocked than we thought! (Laughs) With the video for “Girl Got A Gun” also, people were a little crazy. But, I said, “Why It’s my favorite video!”. I did not think they would talk about the character Toko, the guy in blue, and it’s a shock! I love this video! It’s the same thing for “Love Who Loves You Back”, we had the idea long ago. It is inspired by the German film “Perfume”. There is a scene where people want to kill the character. There are hundreds of people shouting at him, he sprayed perfume and people start to love him and to love them. We go from hate to love. We loved this scene! We wanted to make a music video in this spirit, it turns into orgy. It has no fragrance but we have the music!
Bill: And it is a scandal because people make a scandal! One should not make a fuss. It’s just love, that is the message. I do not understand why people say, “Oow la la, there are boys with boys, girls with girls.” All right, we’re in 2014!

Q: I do not know if you are aware but the issue of marriage for all rocked France, it was pretty tense … It offends you?
Bill: Of course I am always shocked when I hear things like that, all this homophobia …
Tom: We’re shocked, because it’s always the same old story …
Bill: Everyone has the right to love who he wants, we must stop with these issues of gender, religion… In some countries, it is a problem. In other all goes well, it’s beautiful! We should not even ask the question …

At school, I always had problems because of my look

Q: By doing a song like “Love Who Loves You Back,” you wanted to help your fans with their sexuality identity?
Bill: Yes. We want to give them confidence. I’ve always been like that myself … I hate it when others tell you what to do, how to be, what to think or what to say. I believe in freedom. Everyone should be able to do what they want, love who he wants. It has always been here and that’s fine.

Q: Exactly, Bill, you had to face a lot of criticism on your look. It was hard to live?
Bill: The thing is what I had used when I was little (Smiles) I went to school with nail polish, make-up … I have always had problems.
Tom: I was the older brother who was defending him in the playground!
Bill: I have always been at odds. In hindsight, yes it was a provocation, perhaps I was trying to cause this reaction. But I’ve never understood why it might bother someone. I wanted to show everyone that I did not care, assuming, I told them: “Fuck you”. I had the habit so I do not care if you criticize my style. It does not affect me.

Conchita Wurst won Eurovision because of her appearance

Q:You’ve heard of Conchita Wurst who won the Eurovision this year?
Georg: Wurst (Laughs) It means sausage in German!
Bill: It’s cool that she won. She has a good voice. It’s a beautiful message!

Q: She will dance at the Crazy Horse. For the first time, a man in the spotlight of a magazine …
Bill: That’s great, it’s a good example for people, for tolerance.
Tom: After winning the Eurovision takes over her appearance than the song, I must admit. But that’s fine! This is a beautiful symbol.

We would like to collaborate with a DJ

Q: Your music has changed. You too. The media and the public still talk a lot about your appearance. You were expecting so much?
Bill: Yes! Expected. After that it is normal for me, fashion, look, the artwork, photos and stuff, it’s part of the package, what you create. We just need the music to always be present.

Q: Do not talk as the rest. Bill, you love you embark on a solo career?
Georg: I think! (laughs)
Tom: I’ll make one myself.
Bill: What? You, a solo career?
Tom: ‘Yes, me and my huge penis (They all laugh) I just looking for a stage name. Maybe Tom Long Dong! (Laughs)

I’m going to launch a clothing line

Bill: I’ve never really thought about. I am in the group musically, I do not have the desire to do a solo album. Not right away. But I would love to get a clothing line! I love working with other people. We would like to collaborate with a DJ soon … Nothing is planned. I have to find time to do things well. I just do not want to put my name, I want to draw etc. I’ve been working on designs for several years. When the time comes, it will come out.

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